Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

long time no see in here smitty.

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

In looking at the two lifts in competitions, I don't see as many comparisons for sports performance. In just looking at the pictures, the clean looks more like an athletic movement. You have a more upright body and a straight back in the clean, which is used in many sports. The explosion of the triple extension is faster in the clean then the stone lift. The position of the weight allows for more power from the primary movers of the hip and leg muscles in the clean then the stone lift because the weight is closer to the body and holding the weight is easier.

I am by no means saying the stone lift is not beneficial. Strong man training is awesome and those athletes that compete in strong man are almost unbelievably athletic and strong. I am just saying, in my opinion, that the clean is a superior lift if the goal is explosive power for sports performance.

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

great article. I've done both types of lifts, and yes, I do see the (very rough) similarities.

A couple of observations though: The stone lift (it was a bag lift for me) resembles the old "Continental" lift more than it does the Clean, because in the Continental, the barbell was pulled to the lap, and then heaved off the thighs. Well-trained OL'ers may do a subtle "stealth" version of this with a thigh brush.

Second observation: Obviously, a serious OL'er wants to focus on the actual competitive lifts. While there are similarities between the two lifting concepts, using stone lifting as a supplement for improving OL power may only be a good idea in the early stages of training. Vasily Alexeyev turned to a variant of stone training before his last Olympic competition, and bombed. He had been away from the barbell too long.

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

tsears wrote:
I am just saying, in my opinion, that the clean is a superior lift if the goal is explosive power for sports performance.

Here's where certain kinds of bag lifting (rather than stone lifting) may prove as useful for explosive power as cleans and power snatches:

Tossing a moderately-heavy sandbag upward -- and even overhead -- is also effective.

Underhanded tosses and overhead and off-the-shoulder heaves of less heavy stones can also be effective for explosive power.

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

Good posts everyone and I'm glad to be back. Hopefully I can post more.

I think the intent of the articles is that stone lifting provides a supplemental training means to sports that require great involvement of the posterior chain, i.e. all sports.

The other idea is that resistance training must not be limited to linear, fixed movement patterns when trying to develop a comprehensive adaptation profile.

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

i love stone lifting, it shreds my forearms though :/

Also, what sorta weight was the man in the sandbag vid using?

i have to say that the stones do strange things to my back and hamstrings. I am not very knowledgeable on this so what are the injury rates for stone lifting?

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

smitty.diesel wrote:
Good posts everyone and I'm glad to be back. Hopefully I can post more.

I think the intent of the articles is that stone lifting provides a supplemental training means to sports that require great involvement of the posterior chain, i.e. all sports.

The other idea is that resistance training must not be limited to linear, fixed movement patterns when trying to develop a comprehensive adaptation profile.

Yes, thanks. I did get that. For the record, I actually find sandbag or stone lifting to be more "efficient" than barbells when one has limited time to work out. I think this because the bags/stones recruit more muscles than barbells do.

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

I just had 4 university rowers train for a strongman competition that they wanted to do for "fun". (A bunch of sick puppies.) I found that there was very little carry-over from gym lifts (OL and PL) to strongman events, but more carry-over from strongman to OL and PL lifts.

I know one thing for sure. None of these girls will ever lose a DL because of grip failure. Farmers walks, heavy sled drags and duck walks turn your hands and forearms into claws. The girls couldn't even open their hands to "high 5" each other, so they just did the "claw".

TNT

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

I found that there was very little carry-over from gym lifts (OL and PL) to strongman events, but more carry-over from strongman to OL and PL lifts.

I have found this as well.

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

quazimodo wrote:
i love stone lifting, it shreds my forearms though :/

Quaz, aren't stone and bag lifts bad for your HUMP?

Nyuck! Nyuck!

Yeah, I know I'm a jerk, but I just can't resist the hunchback jokes, what with your user name.

By the way, Notre Dame Cathedral is a beatiful place. Do you have a run of the whole place after hours?

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

Roderick Reilly wrote:
quazimodo wrote:
i love stone lifting, it shreds my forearms though :/

Quaz, aren't stone and bag lifts bad for your HUMP?

Nyuck! Nyuck!

Yeah, I know I'm a jerk, but I just can't resist the hunchback jokes, what with your user name.

By the way, Notre Dame Cathedral is a beatiful place. Do you have a run of the whole place after hours?

jokes?

Sticking out tongue

cmon people what is stone lifting most notorious for?
Deadlifting breaks biceps, for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW6dTdSnDtU

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Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

The biggest difference is the speed of the lift. A clean is a fast and explosive lift, where it is impossible to lift a heavy stone very fast. For sports performance, the clean has more direct carryover, as speed is crucial in sports. I like all the strongman stuff though, but stones are better for RE and ME days than DE days though.

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

I'm going to have to disagree with that a little bit Aaron. A lighter stone done to a higher box can be a seriously fast and explosive lift. . I've done many a stone lift where it took to the air from the hip and got caught and pushed upward at face level. Throwing a 265 up to a 60 inch box, for a short guy like me, has to be explosive or it ain't gonna go...

Heavy stones are pretty slow but anything under 300 can be done with great speed.

Bob

Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

I spent my youth throwing bales of hay up onto a truck...sometimes as high as 8 or more feet in the air. Bags of grain, etc...usual heavy farm work. The first OL meet I was in, I broke all the state records.

I'm for strongman training as a base of strength (limit strength, strength endurance and speedstrength). So, I'm agreeing with Diesel and Bob...

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Stone Lifting and Olympic Lifting

Interesting side note to what Doc is saying one of my best friends in high school never went to summer football weight workouts.

He, his brother, father, 2 cousins, and often yours truly bailed hay during the summer. I typically didn't do it until late July or August just to make a few bucks. When not in a gym I was usually hauling pulp wood in the summer.

Anyway, he was about 6'1"-6'2" note quite 200 lbs., and he always had one of the highest, if not the highest powerclean (by their definition).

Some of the linemen would grip about not missing a workout on mondays when they powercleaned. Well, he did it everyday but Sunday, and for a lot more reps, as they only square bailed.

They're is always something to be said for lots of hard work.