I workout at home and don't have access to a ham curl machine. Does anyone have any ideas/exercises to work the hamstrings at the knee joint, without a ham curl machine?
I currently do a deadlifts, RDLs, etc... but I don't do much to work the hams at the knee. Is there a need to work the hams at the knee if you are doing variations of the deadlift?
Thanks
Carl
If glute ham raises and leg
If glute ham raises and leg curls aren't available, the best alternatives are sled dragging and sprinting.
If you have a good swiss ball, you can perform a hip extension and leg curl on it. You need a good sturdy ball though, not the balloon type found in most gyms. Paul Chek sales the best one. Got one from him 10 years ago, still firm and holds air well.
The "swiss ball" exercise,
The "swiss ball" exercise, is this similar to glute ham raises. Just without the equipment. Hook your feet under something and use the ball as the "bench"?
I hadn't thought of sprinting or sled dragging as a ham exercise. I need to start doing something for conditioning anyway.
Thanks for the help!
No, you lay on the floor on
No, you lay on the floor on your back, out your feet uo on the ball so that your achilles is resting on the ball. Extend your hips until your hips, torso, and feet are in line, then flex your knees until your toes are on the ball and your knees are almost fully flexed.
If using two legs isn't challenging enough perform it one leg at a time. It's different than a glute ham in that it's an open chain movement, but it generally works the same muscles.
Band leg curls are decent.
Band leg curls are decent. Do them seated and use your hamstrings to curl your feet under your knees.
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The resistance curve for
The resistance curve for band curls is horrible.... To be anyway effective, you would essentially have to do partials at 3-4 different portions of the ROM.
As a rule of thumb, bands are less effective for flexion movements compared to extension movements as a result of said strength/resistance curve.
Why is it horrible if you're
Why is it horrible if you're using it to help your squat? The band has max tension in the same position it does for a squat.
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I said nothing about using
I said nothing about using it for the squat. As I asserted, for extension movements like the squat, it's an incredibly effective tool.
But for flexion movements, they're near worthless.
In the flexion of the knee, the strongest portion of the movement is the beginning.... I.e., from a straight leg to 15-20 degrees. The band is providing it's least amount of resistance/tension at the beginning. The middle portion of knee flexion is lightly weaker than the beginning, yet there will be more tension from the band as it stretches.
As the curl motion is completed over the last 10-20 degrees of flexion, the muscle is at it's weakest with regard to it's strength curve/fulcrum/line of pull, meanwhile the band is reaching it's maximum tension.
Hence, to be effective you have to work it in small ranges of motion to have optimal band tension.... hardly worth the time or effort, plus it's incredibly difficult to use and document progressive overload using the band in such a manner.
poor-mans-glute-ham raise
poor-mans-glute-ham raise
Found that using a Versaroll
Found that using a Versaroll works well for the movement Todd is talking about. It's long and flat...much more stable than a regular swiss ball.
http://www.power-systems.com/p-2906-versaroll.aspx
While we are on the subject,
While we are on the subject, what is the significance of doing such leg curl type movements? Will it help with strength in various lower body lifts? I never did them. Never!
The hamstrings not only
The hamstrings not only extend the hips, they flex the knee. For optimal hammie development, that function should be trained.
Obviously, it's not as big a priority for a power lifter as a sprinter, football player, etc., but can still aid in strength and therefore lift totals.
That is the thing I wondered
That is the thing I wondered about. Because I noticed in powerlifting contests, competitive bodybuilders often seemed to do pretty well with their raw lifts. I'm not talking exactly world class lifts, but definitely impressive for folks who's specialty is not in powerlifting.
I thought about it and it seems they generally have two things going for them.
1) They don't neglect any muscles so they have really good balance and a good foundation.
2) Their diets are great so they stay lean which keeps them in a lighter class.
And I guess this is just an example why Fred has always been an advocate of periodization for powerlifters. The funny thing is though is that a lot of powerlifters these days don't bother with periodization in that sort of style. Some of them don't even look like they work out. But they sure are strong! Muscle strength/size can play a big role in powerlifting, but so does the mind and bone and tendon strength.
Hamstrings are huge in
Hamstrings are huge in powerlifting. They have a significant role in the squat and deadlift. It's pretty universal that beginners have weak hamstrings.
I think body builders do well since they actually train hamstrings. Most athletes focus on quads unless they have a coach that actually knows what he/she is doing.
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Deadlifting of any sort,
Deadlifting of any sort, especially Romanian and Keystones and good mornings.
Well, too, while curl
Well, too, while curl machines are useful..... plenty of PLers spend plenty of time on the glute-ham-gastroc bench which works the knee flexion and hip extension portion of the hammies.
Oh yeah, the GHR is a staple
Oh yeah, the GHR is a staple in any powerlifting gym. We've had one for about a year, and it gets a ton of use.
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